What do you think you are going to find in this enlightenment?
You have been at it for such a long time, deeply, with great
intention and frustration. Believe me, I can relate to that.
When you really ask yourself, what is it that you want? What
are you trying to find? Why are you seeking?
Q: I feel
like I've found it. I am aware of the Background, the Substratum
as my true Identity. Furthermore, I am aware that That, alone,
exists and I am aware that That alone is present throughout
all the states of mind. It is unshakably present in all three
states; it is the only thing that truly
Well then, just stop there for a second. If that's true then
is true in my experience
Then what is the problem with the seeing and hearing or experiencing?
In other words, you know the Background, pure Consciousness,
is who you are
alone is real
Then, so what if there is some seeing and hearing going on?
Q: I am
clear that the seeing and hearing comes and goes, and therefore
is not real. That Substatum is clearly untouched, unmodified,
and unaffected by this coming and going. I get the impression
that you and Nome, however, are at the space where there are
no other things coming and going
Yes, yes, yes, I see what you are saying.
until I get to that space, where there is no "arising,"
I will not experience the "unutterable Bliss," spoken
of by sages and that you obviously experience. For me, that
"Bliss," is only experienced as peace. I hear, however,
that the true Bliss is so far beyond.
See how "that bliss" in itself is an idea in your
So, on the level of Chris, the body, there will be seeing, hearing,
eating, and drinking. There is no need to have excess attention
on trying to change something that is going to happen on this
physical level. In other words, if you look for it to change
here, in this dream, you will be looking forever. It is not
going to change here!
you just allow what arises to arise, and simply remain identified
as the Background?
Yes. Well, then stop right there.
let it go. Stop. Allow that to be. Then stop.
You don't need to add thoughts like, "Sages feel Bliss
in a certain way," or, "It needs to look in a certain
way." All that is superfluous. It is all about your point
of view. Consider. Sages, anybody, people, they are all arising
in your own Consciousness.
This is a dream. You do not want to take what somebody in your
dream says it is supposed to be like.
You want it to be YOU, your own Existence, your own experience.
That is why I am saying you just need to give it to yourself.
You already know what it is. Stop adding. It is just a thought.
They are just thoughts that you are adding. You do not need
to add, "Oh! I do not have it," or "Oh! It has
to look this way." You are talking about Existence. How
can Existence look any particular way? Existence-Consciousness
-- it is the same. It cannot look any way. It is not going to
feel like anything, any particular thing; and there is nobody
It is just Existence. Sometimes people who practice Advaita
get tired of asking, "Who?" However, you do not want
this teaching to get to be like some dead old Catholicism that
does not work for anybody.
You want to do what works for you, yourself. Do not put your
spiritual life here and your other life over there. It has to
be the one Existence.
You have to trust yourself. Trust your own experience. Do not
do what anyone else says. Scriptures are useful. Teachers are
useful, but the bottom line is you, yourself.
add these things like, "I cannot get it!" or "I
don't have it yet," or whatever. All that is thought. You
do not need those thoughts. Rest in that Bliss. You know who
you are. Do not waste any more time thinking you do not. It
is not going to look like it looks for anyone else. It is exactly
what it is for you; and you innately know it. Know it, deeply.
Know it on the deepest, deepest level, already. If any doubt
arises, know that it is just a thought. Disidentify with that
thought and you are right back into Bliss, or whatever you want
to call it. The word "Bliss" may be overrated.
is good. However, when I read some of these reports from the
sages of their depth of their Bliss, I compare and contrast
in my mind and then "I" feel cheated that "my"
meditation just ends up in a calm, sweet, gentle tranquility
What you just now said, I had to laugh: "Mine is just pure
Silence." You know! Do you know how deep that is to be
somewhere that is perfectly calm? It is not a somewhere. The
Existence is more like deep, deep peace than some kind of fireworks,
because fireworks come and go. The deep Existence does not come
and go. There is no label you can put on it. Every description
we say falls short. Nevertheless, it is still just exactly your
Existence, just as it is. Nobody is experiencing anything.
Q: I find
that waiting always.
Is somebody cheated? [Laughter] The idea that somebody
is cheated is definitely a concept you do not need! Some "other
existence" or "somebody else's existence" is
a little better than yours. You want to get the "big existence,"
"the biggest existence there is. "
Q: A bigger
piece of the pie! [Laughter]
questioner: When the mind becomes still as a result of doing
the Self-inquiry. I find there is still a subtle "I"
that is saying, "This is so wonderful! I just want to go
deeper and deeper into this state." How can I stay in Beingness
and get rid of the "I" that is witnessing the joy
and the peace of no-mind? I still have this duality that I am
trying to get rid of. I know there is no "I" to get
rid of but I am not quite sure if I have phrased it right, but
I am sure you get the meaning of what I'm trying to say.
There is a teaching that says, "You need to go beyond Bliss,"
or "Bliss is the first sheath." However, I have heard
Nome say, and I tend to go with this, "You do not need
to worry about getting rid of bliss [Laughter]. Just stay right
there, and if there is some little voice saying, 'I want to
go deeper,' what is wrong with that?" Just go deeper. If
you go deeper there will not even be a little voice anymore.
Go ahead! The extra thoughts like, "I need to get rid of
this little voice." That is an extra thought. Just go deeper!
You do not need the extra thought.
that little voice just says something that is just a distraction.
Oh! Who is aware of the little voice? Something is aware of
is the Awareness.
See how the little voice is an object of the Awareness? Go in
to the Awareness. What is aware of the little voice? See how
that is vaster and more real? Keep going that way. It is in
the right direction. It is very simple, Remember to inquire,
"Who Am I?" "Who Am I," is actually the
tool. If you imagine you have lost your way, you go back to
"Who am I," and you are always deeper. It is - Oh!
- it is the most gracious, beautiful Teaching, absolutely, so
clearly taught by the Maharshi and Master Nome, perfect. Does
thanks very much. Thank you.
Questioner: I was just flashing this morning, I used to go and
see Nome a long time ago when he was still in San Bruno, about
22 years ago, and the one thing that seems to come back to me
repeatedly is that he used to say, "If you only want Realization
and nothing but Realization then nothing can stop you; but if
you want Realization and something else, you will always get
the something else. "
keeps coming back to me.
Beautiful. Thank you. Like, we need Realization "with extra
special bliss!" [Laughter]
Q: And some ice cream. [Laughter]
Ice cream that does not melt. [Laughter]
Everlasting, unborn ice cream.
Conversation in progress with Another Questioner:
That Beingness, that pure Existence IS yourself whether things
arise or not. It is all about Identity. If you take that subtle
first little movement of something to be yourself, inquire!
You do not have to believe that to be yourself. You can stay
with the pure Existence
is that Existence, and in that Beingness is Identity. OK? One
knows it as one's true Self.
Yes, these are the words we use. You know what I am saying.
It is not an identity like anything we know objectively.
Q: I know.
But there is a Presence that is not like something or anything
is what I mean by Identity, like that, that I AM, because I
am not just witnessing this. I AM That!
Yes, Yes Exactly! It is a matter of deep, innate Knowledge.
there is the Beingness-Bliss. So when I was looking for words,
the word that came to me was contentment, abidance as that Being,
abidance in Existence, and that Bliss. Why go anywhere else?
so, one knows that as one's true Self. But then when one goes
out into the world, or
Yes. I understand. We all know what we are talking about here,
but the words
one goes into the world, one feels that there's a need for this
"I," this experiencing "I," that it is somehow
needed, that we cannot just stay in our True State, without
needing this I-thought. However, it simply is not needed! It
is so evident that it is not needed. When we had that previous
deep experienceless experience -- and one needs to figure that
out -- just stop it! It is not that the "I-thought"
is not needed. The Truth is, that false "I" is not
really there. It is but an objectively cognized thought that
never ever came to be.
That is exactly right, kind of like what we talked about today
about "no creation," and how Maharshi said the states
of mind neither come nor go.
there is not even the "me," being in meditation.
Yes. There is not. Even though it seems it might be, there is
so, deeply questioning the experiencer, deeply inquiring, "Is
there an experiencer experiencing anything?" "Is there
an experiencer experiencing anything," and that inquiry
brings you right back to it. Russ had said when I asked about
seeing how Being pervades all thoughts or experiences, and feeling
that, then one loses one's sense of experiencing. So I asked
him, "How do you get that with any kind of thought, not
just with experienced thought where one hears the Bart sound,
but all kinds of thought, like when one is talking and interacting
at work?" He said, "Just eliminate the subject and
the object. If you eliminate the individual experiencer, then
his or her object automatically goes. It is just knowing that
Knowledge alone is and that that nothing else is really going
I was thinking you could use the teaching we had today about
the three ways to experience your own Existence. If you find
yourself in a state at work where it seems there is cause and
effect, stand as the witness. For a deeper, more expanded understanding,
move up to the witness and take yourselof out of the movie.
So take yourself out of the whole situation as a separate being,
and just be the witness. Things may still appear to be going
on, but that gives you a degree of freedom and non-attachment.
If you want more freedom, go within deeper. Inquire more deeply
to see that there is not anything arising at all! That is always
there. "No creation" is the case. The Self, alone
is. The Self is the case. No matter how we confuse it, confound
it, suffer, appear to suffer within it, still we always are
the Self, always, always, always, always. If you think you are
not, it is just a thought. It is just confusion. So maybe we
could use that as a way to help us. Remember these three ways
of understanding Existence, to take you a notch up, or deeper,
however you want to label it. Do you have an experience of the
witness, of being an impartial witness?
You know what that is so--
I try to get rid of the "experiencer," I end up in
a kind of thought-free state
Oh! And then "you" cannot do your job [Laughter]?
Maybe somebody would do it if you just let go. See, there is
no problem if you think you are a person for a while. It is
not a problem. There still is only the Self.
Q: I wanted
to ask one other thing. How was it for you, before Realization,
what was the practice like?
Well, interesting, because there was not a person, in the first
place. You are like... "What! How could I have confused
myself with that imaginary thought?"
it become clearer and clearer at that point that there is no
person and Existence absorbs one's focus or Being?
It is just exactly the way it is for you, the pure Being. See
right now how you are asking a dream character what her experience
of Existence is? [Laughter] It is your existence! For the apparent
Cee, it is exactly the same as it is for you in deep meditation.
It is the same One. These creatures are non-existent. It is
just this pure Existence. That's it! To think "a person"
gets "enlightened" is just the silliest thing in the
world. How could an illusory person get something like that?
us just spend some time in meditation.